government to begin with. second, i don't think anybody in america looks at the number, whether it's 8.2, 8.4, 7.7, and thinks that's a real reflection of reality. everybody in america thinks they're not counting the number of people who have stopped looking, the number of people who are underemployed. at that point the 7.8 number almost becomes academic. nobody has faith. >> look, we know it's a lousy labor market out there. it's not what you want to have, however, it's an improve ing labor market and not because of one month's numbers but one month, the whole thing, jack welch probably coming from the corporate world, he doesn't quite understand how it is to fudge government numbers. but the -- if you look over the past year, which is what you should do, you should not look at the numbers, there's a clear improvement. it's clear that adjusted for the changing and for the aging of the population, the number of people with jobs this year of the relevant population is rising, clear that the payroll growth has e